First, when did you come to realize that the loss of the true conservatives jeopardize the centrists? Was it when the Robinson matter surfaced or earlier?This requires a bit of history and a bit about myself. All my life, I thought of myself as a "liberal" -- I was never a commie-lover -- in fact, I could never understand that faction (Eugene Volokh has some good thoughts on this posted recently here) and considered myself a Bobby Kennedy -style liberal. Nevertheless, some of my best friends have been conservatives. VBG.
Second, I sense a kind of ambivalence in some of the things you have written. You appear to oppose Robinson on the perfectly reasonable basis that married men ought not have sex with persons not their wife, but you don't appear to like being labeled a "conservative?" Aren't you a conservative at this time and in this context? Is it the case that in the earlier dispute over female ordination, "conservatives" were those people over there who were utterly unreasonable in their position and now it stings to have the charges leveled against you that were leveled against them?
It's not my intent to intrude, but your model of how the ECUSA seems to make a lot of sense and I don't think I've seen it anywhere else, certainly not in the media. It also, frankly, resembles the Jacobin phase of the French Revolution when slightly less radical factions were led off to the guillotine protesting their radicalism.
This political liberalism survived being "surprised by joy" (in the words of C.S. Lewis) -- being a follower of Jesus and being a political liberal in the late 1970s were not unheard of. My "role-model" and political hero was Sen. Mark Hatfield. Other influences were Ron Sider, the Sojourners Community, the magazine The Other Side, and the Mennonite theologian John Howard Yoder.
In the 1980s some of these organizations and people took a beating. Sen. Clean was involved in a real-estate scandal, Sojourners and the Other Side embraced the Stalinists, Yoder admitted to having a string of adulterous relationships and Ron Sider published a book saying we should pray away on-coming nukes. Those things didn't do me in -- some trust in horses, others in chariots -- but I did start questioning a lot of their ideas.
Also, at the time, I was going to a school headed up by a televangelist, a faith-healer, and there was a lot of this "name-it-and-claim-it" faith teaching that my friends were struggling with. A magazine named Eternity, not published any more, had a brief quote by Fr. Neuhaus comparing the Yoderite anti-war theology to the whole "faith teaching" of these televangelists. The more I wrestled with it, the more I saw he was right, and that began the deterioration of my radical pacifist beliefs.
I'm babbling -- what I want to say is that for years -- decades, I've been a political liberal and that to call me a "conservative" is extremely painful. I can't think of myself that way. Also, I think there are many in the Episcopal Church who associate the idea of being "conservative" with a political position that we find anathema.
In the early 80's I was married by an Episcopal minister, Renny Scott, committed to "social justice" and a radical commitment to Christ. I wasn't raised in the Episcopal church and neither was my bride -- but we joined, in large part, because of this minister. I also had a Young Life leader in college I studied with who introduced me to the Episcopal Church and Anglican thought. This was Sam Pascoe, now rector of Grace Episcopal Church in Orange Park, FL, and author of a book on the Articles of Religion.
As I got involved in the Episcopal Church, I fell in love with it. The more I fell in love, the more I wanted to know -- and as I explored the history, I looked at the revolution the ECUSA had just undergone, with the ordination of women, the issuance of the new BCP and the new hymnal. Being a fair-minded kind of guy, I wanted to examine, fairly, the arguments of the dissenters.
(to be continued...)
(I'm still babbling and haven't gotten close to answering the questions...)
Continuation
Okay, I'm back -- let me try to stop babbling...
What I tried to say above is (1) I come out of a very liberal political philosophy, where the idea of being "conservative" is anathema. (2) even so, and this is true of my conscious walk with Christ (which is more like Jacob wrestling), I had firm convictions (i.e. anti-communism) that put me at odds with my "liberal" brethern.*
As I was saying above, that being a new Episcopalian, I could sense there was something missing within the denomination and I think it was those folks who left.
I really believe that statement I have at the left by St. Augustine. I believe we really need each other -- liberal and conservativee, fundamentalist and po-mo X-ian, high-church and low church,** pentecostal, liturgical, evangelical, social gospel, all have a place in the body of Christ. And yes, even my gay brother and lesbian sister.***
And that's really the point of it. I think the ECUSA really lost a lot when it lost all those church members since the mid-1970s. I am grieved by those who claim to be acting in the name of inclusiveness -- why do they only seek to be "inclusive" in one direction?
While I've gone on for awhile here, I've really only scratched the surface.
Early in my Christian walk, I saw a lot of folks damaged by an undisciplined, un-Biblical charismatic movement. Folks who claimed to be spiritual giants receiving words of knowledge directly from the holy spirit. For those of us young in the Lord, we deferred to much and there was a lot of damage done by truly carnal "Christians" claiming to be acting in the name of God.
This was part of why I found refuge in the Episcopal Church -- it offered shelter in the form of what I saw as godly checks and balances -- the episcopal governance, the local vestry, and (in the churches I generally attended) effective small groups. There was proper oversight and care. To use Charles Hummel's phraseology, the fire was in the fireplace.****
This background set forth in the two prior paragraphs is why I have so much problem with the action taken by Peter Lee. In making his decision to vote to ordain VGR as a Bishop in the church catholic, he abandoned the guidance offered by the Scriptures, by the Anglican Church councils, by the ecumenical chuch catholic, and by the faith handed down throughout the centuries. Instead he said he prayed and relied on his feelings.
Blessed Peter Sean Bradley offers these additional comments, while I've been away dithering:
...which is whether a person should be loyal to a name or an idea? I often wonder about my Methodist clients who were as ruthlessly submarined by the leftists in their denomination and who chose to leave it en banc. They don't seem to miss being "Methodist."I don't know. For those in the Methodist church -- that is a church that similarly has a rich tradition and theology -- as you know, the Wesleys were Anglican -- so conservative those opposed to them looked down on them and sneeringly called them "methodists..." Of course they take these things with them, but something is lost -- a lot. Were it just a name, it would be no problem. From Abram to Saul, God gives us new names when he calls us to our true mission.
I don't know...
In another year, I might be worshiping at an AME church -- I love gospel music and call and response preaching...
I don't know...
To the second thing, yes, I am a . . . a . . . conservative at this time and in this context. . .
There, I said it.
Sometimes I wonder if that's part of the strategy -- if the revisionists label the confessing members of the denomination "conservative" and "fundamentalist," it will drive us back and/or keep others from joining us. "You don't want to be seen with those fundamentalists -- they beat their wives to keep them down -- they burn books -- they handle snakes ---"
Peter writes:
Life is a journey, my friend. I think you've been cast into the outer darkness with the rest of us "conservatives." And as the character in "The Princess Bride" says "I don't think it means what you think it means."Well, one thing I've always liked about you conservatives is that you generally have a good sense of humor.
Let us walk together and "keep to the path, in love, as we fare on toward Him, 'whose face is ever to be sought."
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*There were other convictions I held that were outside the "liberal mainstream:" I was always leery of big unions and especially found the teachers unions a very corrupting influence on education. Shortly after the Christian "conversion" experience, I came across "Washington Monthly," Senator Paul Tsongas, and the developing neo-liberal movement. *sigh* that movement really faded...
**When asked if Truro is high church or low church, our rector Martyn Minns replies we're broad church. That's a good description of how it should be, I think.
***Yet I recognize that I am in deep and fundamental conflict with my brother and sister when they seek to have their sinful activity "blessed" by the church. Similarly, I reject the idea of "blessing" an adulterous relationship, or "blessing" a fraudulent business endeavor, etc.
****I want to take a moment to affirm the pentecostal and charismatic movements as something that has been a true blessing from the Lord. The abuses by some do not negate this work of God as evidenced by the fruit of the Spirit. I believe the church catholic is liturgical, orthodox, evangelical, and charismatic.